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		<title>Rails IDE Goes Jurassic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill Burcham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[About a year ago in Smalltalk Browser Goes Jurassic I lamented the fact that the Smalltalk browser UI was caught in a techno-aesthetic time warp and cheered the possibility that it might escape to the future and in doing so &#8230; <a href="http://memerocket.com/2007/02/13/rails-ide-goes-jurassic/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=memerocket.com&amp;blog=5432592&amp;post=60&amp;subd=memerocket&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a year ago in <a href="http://www.memerocket.com/2006/02/01/smalltalk-browser-goes-jurassic/">Smalltalk Browser Goes Jurassic</a> I lamented the fact that the Smalltalk browser UI was caught in a techno-aesthetic time warp and cheered the possibility that it might escape to the future and in doing so completely skip a whole generation of UI effort-waste and bad taste (e.g. Eclipse <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Rich_Client_Platform">Rich Client Platform</a>) and move directly to Web-technology UI currency.  I ended with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>How long will it be before a complete IDE is delivered as a web application? To varying degrees, Eclipse and IntelliJ IDEA are stuck on the same island that Smalltalk was. Theyâ€™re all trying to be graphically rich and run on many platforms. Theyâ€™re all expending lots of resources maintaining UI toolkits (think of Eclipseâ€™s Rich Client Platform). And the resultant UI technology, while often innovative and sometimes pleasing, suffers a â€œcredibility gapâ€ when compared with platform-specific technology on the Mac or Windows. When will the IDEâ€™s throw their weight behind the DHTML+AJAX crowd and embrace the â€œthird platformâ€?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well there is renewed hope &#8211; but it looks like Ruby and Rails may arrive before Squeak does.  <a href="http://gyre.bitscribe.net/">Gyre</a> is an honest-to-goodness Ruby on Rails IDE delivered through the browser complete with source-level interactive debugging, project navigation, and an interesting syntax-aware text editor.</p>
<p>Seems like the next step is to get the <a href="http://gyre.bitscribe.net/">Gyre</a> folks working with the <a href="http://www.getfirebug.com/">Firebug</a> folks.  Can you imagine it?</p>
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		<title>Smalltalk Browser Goes Jurassic</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bill Burcham</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[dabbledb is one of the two coolest web apps I&#8217;ve seen in the past month (more on the other in an upcoming post). It&#8217;s just amazing and it wouldn&#8217;t be possible without Squeak &#8212; a robust, free Smalltalk envirionment, and &#8230; <a href="http://memerocket.com/2006/02/01/smalltalk-browser-goes-jurassic/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a><img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=memerocket.com&amp;blog=5432592&amp;post=5&amp;subd=memerocket&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="dabbledb at lispvan movie" href="http://smallthought.com/clips/lispvan.mov">dabbledb</a> is one of the two coolest web apps I&#8217;ve seen in the past month (more on the other in an upcoming post).  It&#8217;s just amazing and it wouldn&#8217;t be possible without <a title="Squeak" href="http://www.squeak.org/">Squeak</a> &#8212; a robust, free Smalltalk envirionment, and <a title="Seaside" href="http://www.seaside.st/">Seaside</a> &#8212; a state of the art web application framework. It&#8217;s easy to look at the Seaside <a title="Seaside tutorial movies" href="http://www.seaside.st/Videos/">tutorials</a> though and think, after the initial buzz has worn off, &#8220;wow that was cool, but goodness &#8212; Squeak&#8217;s 80&#8242;s UI has got to go.&#8221; Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; the <em>functionality</em> is awesome, but oh my goodness.</p>
<p>But hold the phone.  If you look at the <a title="Seaside tools movie" href="http://www.netstyle.ch/seaside/videos/107-SeasideTools.mov">Seaside tools</a> you see a demonstration of Seaside&#8217;s <a title="LiveWeb on Salty Pickle Wiki" href="http://squeak.saltypickle.com/LiveWeb/">LiveWeb</a>.  LiveWeb is a lot like the traditional Smalltalk browser but rendered, well, in your <em>browser</em>.  So you&#8217;re chunking along in your Seaside application and you decide you need to debug something, and rather than using Squeak&#8217;s browser, you hit the &#8220;toggle halos&#8221; link on the current page and ka-ching, the page view is transformed.  Page components sprout frames and icons enabling you to switch between a rendered view, an HTML (source) view and a Smalltalk object view.  There&#8217;s also access to a full-fledged Smalltalk object browser with live source editing.</p>
<p>Smalltalk&#8217;s browser paradigm will not be bound to an aesthetically-impaired user interface technology.  Like Crichton&#8217;s Raptor, it has found a way out.   It has broken free into the (web) browser.  For now, this has resulted only in a marginal usability improvement &#8212; LiveWeb has about the same Aesthetics as Squeak&#8217;s browser.  But how long will it be before LiveWeb gets its face lift?  If <a title="Avi Bryant's Blog" href="http://smallthought.com/avi/">Avi Bryant</a> and friends can create a web application as visually striking as dabbledb, it&#8217;s only a matter of time before they, or someone else applies the same level of care to LiveWeb.</p>
<p>How long will it be before a complete IDE is delivered as a web application?  To varying degrees, <a title="Eclipse" href="http://www.eclipse.org/">Eclipse</a> and <a title="IntelliJ IDEA" href="http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/">IntelliJ IDEA</a> are stuck on the same island that Smalltalk was.  They&#8217;re all trying to be graphically rich and run on many platforms.  They&#8217;re all expending lots of resources maintaining UI toolkits (think of Eclipse&#8217;s <a title="Rich Client Platform" href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Rich_Client_Platform">Rich Client Platform</a>).  And the resultant UI technology, while often innovative and sometimes pleasing, suffers a &#8220;credibility gap&#8221; when compared with platform-specific technology on the Mac or Windows.  When will the IDE&#8217;s throw their weight behind the DHTML+AJAX crowd and embrace the &#8220;third platform&#8221;?</p>
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